Curse

SteeleB · Dec 07, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Uhh, sorry no. Crit barrage is no where near as effective as splinter barrage. I've played crit barrage a lot and with the nerf/fix to sharpen daggers, you can forget it. As for rit barragers, I'm gonna have to laugh again. A ranger can use FW, I am the Strongest, BuH, and EBSoH, then throw on a splinter, and then SPAM barrage and do 100+ damage per arrow in HM on top of the aoe of splinter. I want to see a rit that can keep that up with the same survivability of a ranger. People seem to forget that rangers have 100 base armor against ele damage. Throw on a blocking stance or throw dirt and they're pretty golden.

Test Me · Dec 07, 2009, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by ElnoreVarda

if it is with this mentality you want ER nerfed, I rather see it untouched just to spite you.

Unfortunately, it really is. So maybe we finally hear each other Elnore. I've tried counter arguing on the ER thread, I won't even bother here.

Xenex Xclame · Dec 08, 2009, 04:23 AM // 04:23

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

12 expertise = hit 12 adjacent enemies? O_o

Yes! I know just for that simple reason i want this change,Can you imagine whar the screen would look like with orders vamp splinter vigorous and all that stuff LMFAO!

Lariv · Dec 08, 2009, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by ElnoreVarda

This is guild wars, we have synergy and diversity here. Go play wow if you get jealous when other professions use a bow decently well.

Yes, crudely put but stop with the "only primary profession should be able to use this skill". Its bullshit, ruins the point with making builds. Barrage is fine, and with if it is with this mentality you want ER nerfed, I rather see it untouched just to spite you.

Guild Wars is about versatility! Rangers are meant to provide utility! Eles are meant to do damage! . . .Wait. . . Eles are at the lower end of the damage spectrum. . .

Ugh · Dec 08, 2009, 05:24 AM // 05:24

Not sure If I approve this buff/nerf, but rangers definately need something.

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Originally Posted by madriel222

The primary ranger still does plenty of things extremely well (condition spreading, front line, interrupting, raw damage), it's fine if they only do Barrage fairly well.

Condition spreading and rupting are great for PvE, right? (no)
And, rangers have plenty of possibilities for damage/frontlining that aren't clearly outshined by another class, right? (no)

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

lol@ the people who use splinter barrage- volley or IA is superior.

Volley cuts your damage in half. IA? Really? How could you use IA in an effective PvE build?

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Originally Posted by ElnoreVarda

Yes, crudely put but stop with the "only primary profession should be able to use this skill". Its bullshit, ruins the point with making builds.

It would be cool to have a good build that was actually more effective on a R/x than an x/R. The only desired roles for rangers in high-end PvP seems to be Splinter Barrage (better played by a rit) or EoE (better played by a rit).

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Originally Posted by SteeleB

A ranger can use FW, I am the Strongest, BuH, and EBSoH, then throw on a splinter, and then SPAM barrage and do 100+ damage per arrow in HM on top of the aoe of splinter. I want to see a rit that can keep that up with the same survivability of a ranger.

Or, a rit can use FW, I am the Strongest, BuH, and EBSoH, then throw on a splinter, and then SPAM barrage (zealous mod) and do 100+ damage per arrow (actually, neither the rit nor the ranger would be doing 100+ damage with each arrow) in HM while doing shittons more damage with splinter than the ranger ever could. Splinter is where the real damage comes from.

Survivalibility is negligible if you have a competent monk and tank. And, if you're using Splinter Barrage, you most likely have a tank.

The Drunkard · Dec 08, 2009, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Ugh

Volley cuts your damage in half. IA? Really? How could you use IA in an effective PvE build?

+8 damage from barrage or a slot for an elite skill that doesn't suck.

If you read IA, you shoot three arrows and are allowed to use a prep when you attack. IA does more damage than barrage if the foes aren't already burning or have natural resistance with 6+ WS invested.

Tenebrae · Dec 08, 2009, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

+8 damage from barrage or a slot for an elite skill that doesn't suck.

If you read IA, you shoot three arrows and are allowed to use a prep when you attack. IA does more damage than barrage if the foes aren't already burning or have natural resistance with 6+ WS invested.

Thats a hard comparison , i use IA a lot more than barrage or volley ( almost never use those ) and has near range , not adjacent so almost always hit 2 or more foes but thats on non balled mobs. I think both elites work in very diff ways and in diff terms of usage.